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Cliff D'Arcy

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Published in Savings on 9 October 2008

After the collapse of three Iceland-owned banks operating in the UK, savers are rightly nervous. However, these big-name banks should be secure.

The financial news is filled with doom and gloom at present, so I begin with a gentle, poetic start to today’s story. When Juliet tells Romeo that she loves him, not his family nor its name (‘Montague’), she declares:

“What's in a name? That which we call a rose

By any other name would smell as sweet.”

(from Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare)

What’s in a name?

Although these teenage star-cross’d lovers were all too willing to overlook their family names and rivalries, the world of business is built on names. Big names inspire trust, and big brands (such as Coca-Cola) can be worth billions in their own right. What’s more, with the banking world rocked to its foundations, big names are a huge draw right now.

Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley have been nationalised, and Icelandic banks Icesave, Heritable Bank and Kaupthing collapsed earlier this week. Hence, British savers are desperate for reassurance that their deposits are safe. No longer are they interested in chasing the very highest interest rates -- they want to know that their savings are 100% secure.

Bring on the big boys!

I’m now going to run through a list of banks (and one building society) that I believe -- barring total financial Armageddon -- are entirely safe and secure for savers. Here we go (I haven’t included UK subsidiaries of US banks, as I’m not convinced that the Americans are out of the woods yet):

1. UK government-backed banks

Two banks enjoy the ‘full faith and credit’ of the British government: failed building-society-turned-bank Northern Rock and the government’s own piggybank, National Savings & Investments (NS&I), which was founded in 1861. However, the market share of these institutions is restricted, and both have very little headroom remaining. Hence, both firms have been pulling accounts and reducing interest rates in order to put off savers. Nevertheless, they still have a magnetic draw for risk-averse savers.

2. Irish government-backed banks

In response to tumbling bank share prices, the Irish government guaranteed all deposits and debts at six major banks until 28 September 2010, as I revealed in The Government Must Guarantee Savings. Thus, these Irish deposit-takers (and their UK outfits) can be regarded as 100% secure:

  • Allied Irish Bank
  • Bank of Ireland
  • Anglo Irish Bank (which offers three cracking high-interest accounts)
  • Irish Life and Permanent
  • Irish Nationwide BS
  • Educational BS

Today, Ireland’s Minister for Finance announced that the Irish operations of these banks would be eligible to join the scheme: First Active, Halifax Bank of Scotland (Ireland), IIB Bank, Postbank and Ulster Bank. However, this guarantee will not extend to their UK operations, so there’s no Irish guarantee for HBOS.

3. Global giant HSBC

Ranked by market capitalisation, HSBC is the world’s third-largest bank. In fact, it is worth close to twice as much as its five UK-listed rivals combined. In my view, HSBC is surely the most secure Western bank in the world. As well as operating under the HSBC brand in the UK, it also owns First Direct.

Thanks to high market shares in savings-heavy countries in Asia, the Middle East and the Far East, HSBC has serious financial firepower. It showed its strength yesterday when it said that it had no need of the government’s £50 billion bank bailout. You’ll find several good-value HSBC accounts in our savings centre.

4. Dutch bank ING

ING is the biggest bank in the Netherlands and a fairly big player on the global scene. Yesterday, it came to the rescue of savers in Kaupthing Edge and Heritable Banks as we reported here. Its ING Direct (UK) Savings Account pays a handsome 6.50% AER (including a 1.66% bonus for a year) on £1 to £1 million.

5. Spanish bank Banco Santander

Santander is another bank with global reach -- in fact, it has more branches than any other bank. In the UK, Spain’s largest bank owns Abbey and Cahoot, and is poised to take over Alliance & Leicester. What’s more, this powerful bank bailed out savers when Bradford & Bingley got into trouble last month. Santander is one of the few winners from the credit crunch.

6. Nationwide Building Society

In April 2008, the UK’s 59 building societies had total assets of £332 billion. The largest member, Nationwide BS, accounted for £159 billion of this total, or almost half (48%). Indeed, Nationwide BS is bigger than the next eighteen building societies combined!

Nationwide BS flexed its financial muscles recently by agreeing to take over struggling rivals Cheshire BS and Derbyshire BS. For the record, Nationwide BS is my favourite financial firm on the high street, as it offers good-value products to all of its customers, both new and existing.

So, there you have it: a long list of banks which are as safe as houses. Actually, with the Halifax revealing today that its House Price Index has dived 13.3% since September 2007, cash in these banks is far safer than houses!

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CunningCliff 09 Oct 2008, 2:36pm

Credit default swap (CDS) rates for HSBC, ING and Santander are all fairly low, confirming the market's view that they are 'low risk'.

Please can someone supply the CDS rate for Nationwide BS? Thanks!

Cliff (Fool freelancer)

Ofolaller 09 Oct 2008, 2:39pm

In the heat of the Icesave (Landisbanki) collapse, someone phoned a chatshow (R5Live) to describe his deeply distressing case. His elderly parents had sought his advice where to investigate their funds (a lot, I think about 200k). He'd looked at various internet savings offers and decided on Landisbanki Guernsey, offering presumably a similarly atrractive deal to Landisbanki UK's (Icesave's) deals. (He is a Briton living in Sweden, hence the offshore situation.)

While everyone with Icesave UK was cautiously sighing with relief that their Icesave funds seemed to be assured by a combination of Iceland's small protection, the FSA (UK) top-up protection and finally the Treasury's complete backing, he (as presumably others like him)was miserable, having heard that there is no compensation at all for Channel Island account holders.

This sounded a bit unlikely to me (I seem to remember, for example, that when the Irish government announced complete protection for their six major banks, they explicitly included offshore branches of those banks). So I did some browsing and it appears that, indeed, there is no protection to people with offshore banking accounts in the Channel Islands. It appears that there is a miserly scheme for those people who have offshore accounts with Isle of Man branches of banks (75% of savings up to a max of 15,000 pds stg) but not for CI branches, even of the same institutions. Often it is just pot luck whether a person's offshore account is held in IoM (meagre protection) or CI (no protection).

Does anyone have any further information about the offshore status? It has tended to be overlooked in all the recent excitement. It would be handy if some expert could write an article about the big banks' offshore branches.

Ofolaller 09 Oct 2008, 2:44pm

For instance, in point (2) above, you list the Irish banks with their 100% security.

But as far as I can gather, if you have an offshore account with Allied Irish Bank (to take one example) you will not receive any compensation at all (if it's held in AIB C.I.) and up to a max of 15,000 pds stg (if it's held in AIB IoM).

ohioexpat 09 Oct 2008, 6:04pm

I called Allied Irish isle of man they says savings and the bank are 100% secure because it is guaranteed by its parent that is now backed by the irish government

bristol403 09 Oct 2008, 9:39pm

ITS all very well the Irish govt and indeed ours guaranteeing savings - but I do wonder if our economy, let alone the rather overheated Irish economy could sustain a big drain if the call came for real cash to back up the banks.I also wonder if our Govt could too. And where does the cash come from? Either you print it, or you get it off the taxpayer.

cowlers 09 Oct 2008, 10:15pm

Talking of which banks are safest. Does anyone have any information on the state of Capital One as I have some savings with them in an online saver. It is less than the Govt's 50,000 guarantee but is it covered by that scheme?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

caroline000 09 Oct 2008, 10:20pm

What about LloydsTSB? Doesnt it count as one of the big boys?

dhphoto 10 Oct 2008, 3:51pm

Is it possible you could please keep this page updated, in case your views on which are safe banks change? With things moving so fast I and I'm sure many others would value this

varmatyr 10 Oct 2008, 6:51pm

Can anyone tell me how safe the smaller building societies like the Coventry and Dunfermline are?

aydunno 11 Oct 2008, 4:39am

There is more to banks than mere money they have social and political roles that they seem to be rather more coy about. How do you know where a particular institution's political ideology lies and it overall approach to investment and wealth generation, how can anyone understand what their business goals are? Least of all the man on the street who thought a bank was just that place where you safely put money that just sits there instead of having cash.

As ever things are up for grabs if you can afford them and why are saying anyone's safe when the market doubted everyone after the losses sustained by lehmans brothers? Spain has got major property problems and possible losses in the pipeline so I will say no thanks for that, good for temporary measure perhaps at best.

HSBC well, they are big in developing economies which is probably seen as the place to run for the savvy one. For me, what little money I have is staying put right where it is, Admirals stand on the quarterdeck incoming fire or not.

Do we think big drama has changed the world? Not for a minute, try and learn from other people's mistakes!

newgossip 11 Oct 2008, 10:57am

There is so much discussion about the CDS these days but as a consumer do I have access to monitor the CDS on a regular basis and where?

Bess1e 11 Oct 2008, 11:05am

Has anyone any views on NatWest's e-saver account? It gives 6.5% interest, which includes a 2% bonus for 12 months, and is instant access with no withdrawal penalties. I'm looking for somewhere 'safe' (ha ha) to put my KE savings (when I can get hold of them). As this rate is a good as ING Direct's best offering, I think I'd feel a bit safer having the money in a UK bank.

Jockstrapnsg 11 Oct 2008, 11:07am

I'm confused! In MF's article "Bad News for Kaupthing's IOM;s Customers by Laura Starkey she says and I quote:-

There is some light at the end of the tunnel. Although the Isle of Man is not covered by the British Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS), it is covered by its own Depositors’ Compensation Scheme (DCS).

Under the scheme’s rules, savers who had accounts with Kaupthing Edge on the Isle of Man will be entitled to £50,000 worth of compensation per individual.

In the case of joint accounts, each of the named account holders will be entitled to individual protection worth £50,000 -- which means that the total money potentially claimable would be £100,000.

This is more optimistic than the maximum of £15,000 quoted by other contribors above.

Can anybody verify who is correct??

MrRee007 11 Oct 2008, 12:47pm

I would advise caution on the Irish 100% Guarantee, it is a Political move designed to stabilise its Banking Sector ..... if the chips were down they would shut-up-shop just like Iceland has. The Irish would access their funds and remove them whilst the rest of us would be locked-out (as happened in Iceland).

A guarantee is worthless unless it can be honoured, suggestions are that the Irish do not have the financial strength to back-up their guarantee.

Thanks for the advice, but I shall not be sending my funds to Ireland!

jeffslaw 12 Oct 2008, 7:08am

I have been told by my bank Lloyds TSB that it is the sixth safest bank in the World. Can anyone confirm this? Above it must be three Japanese Banks and HSBC.

Laurence101 12 Oct 2008, 7:22am

You say: -
"So, there you have it: a long list of banks which are as safe as houses. Actually, with the Halifax revealing today that its House Price Index has dived 13.3% since September 2007, cash in these banks is far safer than houses!"
Personally I am trying to get my money out of the banks and into a house. I would rather lose 13% than lose it all..

churchill123 12 Oct 2008, 7:50am

Cliff,

Not sure about Nationwide's CDS, but they are still a mutual building society and so they don't lend this way, only against current reserves. They fought demutualisation about 8 years ago and I think they're customers should be thankful for that rather than trying to tap into the cash payouts the other former building societies offered.

Dhahran2001 12 Oct 2008, 8:13am

There is an argument that, having tested the weakness of companies, the markets will now test the strength of countries. Iceland is being tested.

Unless the author has priveledged information I am surprised that Irish banks are listed 2nd. 5th is where I would have placed them: with HSBC, ING and Banco Santander all moving up one place.

Idontwanttobecon 12 Oct 2008, 8:23am

Lloyds-tsb IS the sixth safest bank on the world!
What people seems not to understand is the fact EVERY bank lend more money that it has in its pocket, this is normal because not all the customers need the money at the same time, unfortunately when the credit market freeze it's enough that 5/10 per cent of customers take out their money and the bank go down... EVERY BANK.

makapuu43 12 Oct 2008, 8:43am

Please, will everyone just settle down. I don't get it. ALL BANKS are leveraged, i.e. they have borrowed funds out which exceed their ability to pay, just like someone with a house. But, if we have a house the theory is we can sell it to pay off the debt. ALL banks have as assets is the loans they have issued to us, against which they owe to us cash (savings accounts) and other banks. So, if everyone goes to get all their money from all the banks, everything comes down. It has always been that way. THE POINT is, though, that if we get our cash out, where do we put it?? ANSWER: into another bank. So, it is a system, which no one can guarantee as safe. It has always been that way.

pdcovers 12 Oct 2008, 8:48am

I am amused by all the panic, why are people not spreading the risk and taking it all on the chin? If money is that important to you perhaps you should cool down. If the British government fails then I don't think even your house is safe as an investment.

Martypeeps 12 Oct 2008, 8:58am

In all the discussions about safe banks no-one has mentioned the Co-operative Bank. They are not listed on the stock exchange (being a co-operative of course) so are not at the mercy of get-rich-quick traders. They are conservative lenders and therefore, for example, have no risky mortgages with self-certified customers and they do not depend upon other financial institutions for their funds. It seems that their old fashioned principles might prove to be to their advantage.

rebtook 12 Oct 2008, 9:33am

varmatyr, it was stated on BBC's Working Lunch the other day that the smaller building societies are all OK.

ray142 12 Oct 2008, 9:56am

Has anyone else noticed a change in how depositors are referred to on radio and TV news programs? We used to be called 'savers' in banks, but now we are called 'investors'.

ellersman 12 Oct 2008, 10:04am

If the media had not produced great headlines, would we be in this situation? If the Govt had given money to the media to promote our banks, maybe the situation would not be so dire!!
I agree about the Coop. As far as I can gather, it is in one of the best positions.
Just a thought, if a bank or building society offers low rates, does that mean it does not need much money and is a safer place?

BPA001 12 Oct 2008, 10:16am

I know we have had this before
I have a offset mortgage with Woolwich, with more than 50k in my account
But my mortgage is higher
I have called them and emailed to get something in writting of the compensation in case of them going down.
When I phoned they say I am covered and only proof I have is to take time and date of call which is recorded. No ref number
Still no reply of email
I am worried about moving the money as it works quiet well with my installments and taxation
Is there any way I can get something in black & white from them?

bluelake07 12 Oct 2008, 10:39am

I can find no reference to the Clydesdale Bank in any of the Fool's articles (I believe that it is a subsidiary of the National Australia Bank (NAB) Group)
I am anxious to find out how safe my money is with the Clydesdale.
I am in a similar situation to BPA001. I have an offset mortgage with the Clydesdale Bank and have a similar large balance in exceess of £100k in my account.
Is there any information available about the security of the Clydesdale, or of the comparative Credit default swap (CDS) rates for this bank?

colin106 12 Oct 2008, 10:50am

As in many areas in life, confidence counts for a lot. As has been said above, all banks lend out up to twenty times the amount that they have from depositors, so any bank would go belly up if confidence was lost and every depositor wanted out. The same with the Irish government bank guarantees - if confidence was lost the government, or rather I should say Irish taxpayers, could not possibly honour the guarantee.
I have put my money into Swiss government guaranteed one and two year bonds which pay 3.5% p.a. and which are probably the safest place to be. Don't think about interest rates in these turbulent times - capital preservation is the thing.
And the 3.5% has already been increased considerably by the value of the pound dropping against the Swiss Franc, which process seems likely to continue. Any competent Independent Financial Adviser should be able to arrange this for minimal cost.

rillo1472 12 Oct 2008, 10:58am

well as for smaller building societies Norwich and Peterborough's CEO has given an online guarantee that they are doing well and not affected by the subprime crisis in america as they never invested there. They are quite strict with their lending criteria so have very low default rates on loans and mortgages and loans in comparison to the larger banks and building societies. Their service is pretty good the only snag is they are mainly located in the east anglia region and are best suited to people happy to deal with their accounts purely on the net or by phone. Although they work together with the co-operative bank to allow customers further afield to deposit money but its not quick up to 10 working days to clear.Also there is a limit to how much you can depoit with them so would mainly suit smaller investors.

sadderoldgit 12 Oct 2008, 11:31am

re varmatyr's request for info on smaller building socs, there is a comprehensive review in Saturday's Guardian, Money section. All Building socs covered. The link is http://www.guardian.co.uk/money

dcardale 12 Oct 2008, 11:38am

With inflation now higher than most interest rates we are paying tax on income that is not real. This is certainly unjust and most people would call it confiscation! No wonder savers/depositors are becoming very scarce and the banks and building societies are running out of money. Surely some of the billions that the government is throwing at the problem would be better spent in allowing for inflation before taxing interest on our savings? That way more people might lend their savings to the banks, interest rates could possibly be lowered a bit more and the recovery encouraged.

cdlnet 12 Oct 2008, 12:45pm

Like MrRee007 I am very surprised to read that "Irish banks are 100% secure". If we have learned anything from the Icelandic disaster, it is that expensive guarantees offered by relatively small economies are not worth much.
And if one of these banks did go under, and the guarantee wasn't honoured, how likely is it that the UK Treasury would bail out UK savers again? If people leave their money in Irish banks after witnessing Iceland, it could be reasonable to suggest that they brought their losses on themselves.

PhilHornby 12 Oct 2008, 12:55pm

My savings are committed to two providers - Nationwide Building Society and the The Co-operative Bank. I do not exceed by much the £50k figure in either institution and so far as I can see each is currently as safe and prudent as one can find in the normal realms of investing.I no longer have a mortgage, having paid it off two weeks ago to lower my deposit levels. Aside of withdrawing all the remaining money and keeping it at home ( very unwise and unsafe)I cannot see what further precautions I can take - nor do I feel I need do so. If, from this position, I lose everything because of a wholesale catastrophe, then everybody else will pretty much be in the same boat, I guess. Happy to be told I am misguided, if anyone can come up with the evidence, or an otherwise coherent argument.

jcb8080 12 Oct 2008, 1:02pm

rillo - dont think I would put much faith in what a bank CEO says - RBS for one!

Also Icelands PM said everything was OK a week before the crash!

magicianfx 12 Oct 2008, 1:13pm

Heres an interesting one, talking last night to soemone who had a substantial amount invested in one of the effected Icelandic banks, he panicked and arranged to withdraw his funds, he has received confirmation that his funds were withdrawn from the Icelandic Branch by CHAPS however the funds have not arrived into the UK bank.

So it appears they are "somewhere in between" In this situation are the funds "invested" so as to benefit from protection?? either Icelandic protection OR UK FSCS, or are the funds in "Banking Transit" and if so is there any protection???
I had no idea, although hoped that for his sake protection would exist somewhere.....any one have any ideas??

PhilHornby 12 Oct 2008, 2:35pm

magicianfx - I heard a similar story last week on the radio and there was an assurance that these items take a while in transit given the current problems. The CHAPS process is such , it seems, that once in the system it cannot be retrieved by the bank which releases the money and it is the responsibility of the receiving bank to chase where the funds are.As to protection, if the funds are deemed to be effectively transferred( although still to be reconciled in this case) once the CHAPS 'button' is pressed, then why wouldn't they be guaranteed under the new UK banks system? Not definitive , I realise, but hope it helps just a little?

Beagle2Mars 12 Oct 2008, 2:46pm

PhilHornby you may just have made a lot of people very happy.

//The Irish government doubtless has the best of intentions but I don't believe it has the reserves to pay UK depositors as well as its own. Look what has just happened to UK investors in an Icelandic bank.

What about smaller building societies owned by bigger banks? C&G give compound interest on marginally lower rates. Anyone found compound interest at 6-7% onto the capital, not into a separate account?

spud77 12 Oct 2008, 2:46pm

I also agree the fool has missed referring to the Co-operative Bank. Glad my dosh is kept with this bank; doesn't rely on the markets for funds and isn't at the mercy of the stock market.
Have a look at this statement from the bank:

http://www.cfs.co.uk/servlet/Satellite?c=Page&cid=1199261362641&pagename=Corp/Page/tplCorp&currart=1223471592180&currmth=10

Also seen on BBC news website today the Britannia B/S is in merger talks with the Co-op Bank. Seems Britannia are looking to tie up with a strong bank which also agrees with mutual status rather:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7665974.stm

staticwater 12 Oct 2008, 3:32pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Icesave accounts been quoted in Fool pages a number of times, as being perfectly safe beceause they are covered under the British banking guarantee.

I know ol' Gordy said they would be safe, but the clear implication has been that they were (and presumabley never)covered. Chris Huhn raised this point on Question Time last Thursday.

londoner45 12 Oct 2008, 3:36pm

Like bluelake07, I have a Clydesdale Bank offset mortgage, with over £100K in the current/savings account. Last week's Sunday Times reported that if you have an offset mortgage with a bank, your money is save as long as your mortgage is higher than your savings. If the bank goes bust, you do not get back your savings, but your mortgage is reduced by the sum of your savings with the bank. This week I moved about £50K to another bank, so that I will not be without funds, should Clydesdales Bank go bust. Somehow I don't think they will, as they have been somewhat more "old-fashioned" than many British banks. However, I would like to be reassured as I have not found any details to confirm this. If they have to comply to the banking regulations of the parent bank in Australia, which are much strickter than in the UK, we should be OK.

spud77 12 Oct 2008, 4:31pm

When referring to Clydesdale Bank plc we also need to consider Yorkshire Bank, as YB is a trading name of CB.

Hopefully with these two brands being operated by Australian Banks, they should be in a lot less bother than our UK based banks.

tonylollo 12 Oct 2008, 4:45pm

Hello new to the post. Worked all my life very hard no pension just savings in HSBC what do you think? Is there any other place non-resident Brits can safely put their life savings???

NatFeerick 12 Oct 2008, 6:05pm

Please will everyone stop panicking? Most savings in UK banks & building societies are safe & if you have more than the government is prepared to guarantee you just need to be smart and split it into 2 or 3 separate institutions. I hardly have any savings but even in good times I have never trusted one bank with all my money - that would be the act of a mad person.
Peter Jones was right when he predicted this country was at risk of panicking itself into recession - if we're not careful we'll panic ourselves into banking collapse too.

heatingman 12 Oct 2008, 6:19pm

I have said this already before but not on this site, but surely size of national population must be an indication as to a country's banks abilities to guarantee what they are doing. Iceland 304,000 - in other words tiny. Ireland 4.1 million and by international standards very small.
I would not send my money to Ireland

aydunno 12 Oct 2008, 7:18pm

Ireland has the potential to be another switzerland. The swiss go their reputation for handling finances through political neutrality, a reputation they are probably keen not to endanger.

That might involve doing business with unsavoury people but it has worked for them, dealing with the good bad or indifferent that is what confidence is.

Don't forget that our government has got powers to intercept money from groups they consider to be unsavoury what I want to see more articles about is the politics of our banking system because I believe the political imperatives at this present time override the financial.

If you belong to certain groups in society, people do not doubt your character, if you are a member of a major political party or publicly known institution, people have more confidence in you, because they understand that you don't have extreme veiws. Part of what the government does is try and filter out violent factions and part of that is tracing their assests and freezing them which means, were you to fall under suspicion potentially that means they could use their power to freeze you, and any way people can use a variety of ant-comptetition measures to stop others from gaining wealth and influence, particurlarly if they are not politcally aligned with the leading party, or even their employer, there is endless scope for a kind of domestic protectionism.

aydunno 12 Oct 2008, 7:43pm

Think about what happened when Virgin bid to take over northern rock. Some people believed it was a better deal for the taxpayer then appear some articles saying what a dodgy customer branson is, and they turned him away.

When actually he for example, built his pendolino trains to exceed government standards so that when they crashed on the dodgy line that was not maintained properly, people didn't die.

I don't think people are hitting the standards they claim to necessarily, the point is there is much noise out there it is very difficult to see wood from the trees, it is all in the small print isn't it? All so very sophisticated and too much for use mere humans who live here to understand!

WannabeHomeOwner 13 Oct 2008, 3:00pm

Thanks for the article.

I'm moving most of my savings from my Barclays account to my wife's HSBC account.

ohmandoomed 13 Oct 2008, 4:04pm

I agree about the panicking. But, Im in the lucky place where if I lost what I got, then I woudl be doomed ! lets put it this way - it woudl beat any of the headlines so far. I guess the helpful advice about not panicking is all well and good until you are in a bad situation yourself and cant find enough banks to spread around to ( at short notice ).

harold1066 13 Oct 2008, 4:48pm

Why not put your money temporarily Premium Bonds, temporarily if necessary? At least you do not lose the capital (except for inflation)and you never know you might be lucky. I have done better over the last two years than if I'd been in any ordinary savings account. Admitted, there is a maximum of I believe £30,000.
And it is almost instant access, too.

ohmandoomed 14 Oct 2008, 1:15pm

Thanks - but 30K wont even scratch the surface. Today things look brighter. As Bruce Almighty might say about "its gooooooood"

GrahamMiller0 15 Oct 2008, 10:05am

I'm with dcardale. Only that part of the interest on savings that exceeds inflation should be taxed.

Otherwise, we are being taxed on the depreciation.

Rather than "cash is king" we should be encouraging the mantra: "borrowing is bad, saving is good". But that will never happen until saving becomes financially attractive.

knuckles343 22 Oct 2008, 9:47pm

Wannabehomeowner!!!!

that doesnt sound sensible.....


''I'm moving most of my savings from my Barclays account to my wife's HSBC account.''

surely icelandic banks would be more appropriate?!?!?

RiverAsUsual 24 Oct 2008, 3:26am

Reply to Wannabeahomeowner.

Doing things like that my friend and you'll always be a wannabehomeowner!!

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