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Published in Savings on 7 October 2008

Iceland’s banking system is in very serious trouble. Here’s how the crisis will affect UK savers with Icelandic banks.

Since this article was published, Alistair Darling has given a guarantee that Icesave savers will be fully compensated.

Yesterday, emergency legislation gave Iceland’s financial regulator the power to force banks to merge or go into receivership.

One day on, Iceland has put Landsbanki, the country’s second largest bank, into receivership.

Landsbanki owns the Icesave savings bank in the UK as well as Heritable Bank. So this news is very worrying for anyone with money in Icesave and Heritable's accounts. Icesave’s UK website isn’t allowing customers to withdraw money as I write.

Icelandic savers, however, are free to withdraw their money from Landsbanki's domestic branches, cash machines (ATMs) and internet operations. It is just non-domestic customers who have been cut off from their cash.

Meanwhile, Iceland’s largest bank, Kaupthing, is still trading. Iceland’s central bank has lent €500m (£390m) to Kaupthing so that may keep it going. What’s more, Russia has lent €4 billion to Iceland’s central bank to boost liquidity.

That said, I am worried about Kaupthing’s future. I said last week that Kaupthing was probably strong enough to get through this. And, indeed, when you look at its liquidity and capital numbers, it looks to be ok. But in the current climate, and given the loan from the Icelandic government, I worry that I may have been too optimistic.

What does this mean for UK savers?

Let’s start with Kaupthing.  In the UK, Kaupthing operates under full FSA authorisation status, granted to UK company, Kaupthing Singer  & Friedlander.

This means that if Kaupthing does fold, you can claim up to £50,000 from the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS). So unless you have more than £50,000 with Kaupthing, you should get your money back. However, it may take a few months for the FSCS to pay up. If, however, you have a fixed rate term account with Kaupthing you may have to wait longer for your cash.  The same rules apply for Heritable.

What about Icesave?

The situation is worse for Icesave. Not only is the bank in receivership, the arrangements for compensation are more complex.

As a first step, savers will have to claim from the Icelandic compensation scheme, run by the Financial Supervisory Authority - Iceland. This will pay out up to €20,887 (around £16,100). Then if you have more than £16,100 in your Icesave account, you can claim the excess up to £50,000 from the FSCS.

The worst case scenario is that the Icelandic government doesn’t even have the money to pay out the £16,100. I don’t think this is a likely scenario, but you can’t rule anything out in the current climate.

If Iceland doesn’t pay, the FSCS will only pay out the excess over £16,100. (We checked this fact with the FSCS this morning - twice.) This is a scary scenario, but my guess is that the UK government would in the end make sure that Icesave savers are fully compensated if Iceland doesn’t pay up.

(By the way, again, domestic Icelandic savers are being treated differently from UK savers. Domestic Icelandic savers have a full guarantee from the Icelandic Government that 100% of their savings are safe.)

I know that many Fools have opened accounts with Kaupthing and Icesave via our site. At least one TMF staff member is in the same boat too. This is a very worrying time for all of these people.

As Bruce Jackson wrote earlier this morning: I Never Thought It Would Get This Bad.

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ThatLindseyGuy 07 Oct 2008, 11:46am

Grave news indeed.

Unfortunately, I don't agree with the writer here in that I think its highly likely that the Icelandic government will sacrifice foreign depositors in order to protect the savings of its own citizens. After all, us Brits can't vote them out can we?

The Icelandic prime minister earlier today promised as much by extending full protection to domestic deposits and making no mention at all of the fate of their overseas counterparts:

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssBanks/idUSSAT00565020081007

After all, Landsbanki depositors in the UK and Holland are already protected by compensation schemes in their home countries with respect to their Icesave savings.

Why would the soon-to-default Icelandic government start to pay compensation that other countries have already promised to pay themselves?

I'm fairly certain that the FSCS will have to cover UK savers in Icesave for the full £50,000.

IanAbroad 07 Oct 2008, 11:58am

Hello, the Icesave website is up and running. I just logged on checked that my CHAPS withdrawl to take me under the compensation limit from last night was processed, and it has been.
IMHO I am being careful, but I can not believe that any savings will be at risk in a European Bank. The fallout of savings being lost would be too catastrophic for all governments.

ThatLindseyGuy 07 Oct 2008, 12:02pm

IanAbroad>> Glad to hear you got your money. Last night's transactions will still be processed so it looks like you're one of the lucky ones.

However, Icesave will not be processing any withdrawals or deposits today or for the forseeable future.

pinkfreddy 07 Oct 2008, 12:05pm

Thank you for shedding some light on the plight of those of us with fixed term accounts with Icesave. At least now I know that I have to wait till the end of the term if I have to claim compensation. What I still don't know, and I don't suppose they want to clarify, is: do the British government's warm words about British savings refer to savings in British banks or savings by British people? Also, I had significantly more than £50K with Icesave, locked in to these fixed rate accounts. So, if Iceland were to default on the first 20,000 euros, even if the UK govt make up that shortfall, I will still lose a lot of money. I heard from Paul Mason on Newsnight last night that although only 2% of UK accounts contain over £50K, those 2% contain 50% of the money. If that's true,it's going to be a lot of money to expect the government to make up.
Icesave could be the first test of the government's reassuring claim that British savings are safe.

Another thing: all the stuff I read led me to believe that Landsbanki was twice as liquid as Kaupthing - that's why I stayed with Icesave instead of moving to Kaupthing Edge for higher rates. I am very suspiscous that the Icelandic government has taken control of Landsbanki to use this liquidity to support Kaupthing and Glitnir.

EmmaLunn 07 Oct 2008, 12:05pm

You can get into the website and view your accounts still - just not move any money.

I can't see that the Icelandic government will sacrifice foreign depositors in order to protect the savings of its own citizens - but I can imagine that it might take us months to get our money back.

caroline000 07 Oct 2008, 12:17pm

Does anyone know anything about ING? My mother's total savings she lives off is placed there. Should I move them?

kazzasother1 07 Oct 2008, 12:20pm

I have an ISA with Icesave worth £30k. Does anyone know that if I eventually get the compensation will I be able to put it back into an ISA or have I lost years worth of ISA allowances?

browntrout74 07 Oct 2008, 12:24pm

The second level of protection is provided by the UK Financial Services Compensation Scheme (www.fscs.org.uk). This scheme tops-up your protection so that the protection under both schemes, is equal to 100% of the first £35,000 (rising to £50,000 with effect from 7 October 2008) of your total deposits held with us.

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 12:32pm

Tried to get my money out last night; site was going so slowly and kept disconnecting. Savings all in there (less than £10k, so no major sums here). Baby due in 4 months. Wonder if I'll have the money back before then?

LeVenturian 07 Oct 2008, 12:32pm

The UK website of Icesave tells customers that: "We are not currently processing any deposits or any withdrawal requests through our Icesave internet accounts.

"We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause our customers. We hope to provide you with more information shortly,"


On the other hand, the IFSA said:
"Domestic deposits are fully guaranteed, as declared by the government.

"Landsbanki's domestic branches, call centres, cash machines and internet operations will be open for business as usual,"


Spot the disconnect?

I think it is the word domestic which stops the two statements from being contradictory. Does this mean that Iceland is adopting a policy of "Post code discrimination" when deciding who is covered by their guarentee.

What was the Icelendic unions insisting that joining the EU is the price they want for supporting their Government. Someone needs to inform them that this sort of discrimination is one of the few things that is completely unacceptable in the EU.

formr 07 Oct 2008, 12:36pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7656387.stm

The FSCS is covering UK depositors' money.

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 12:37pm

What does 'in receivership' actually mean? Does this mean Landsbanki has folded or has the fact it's been nationalised saved it, for now?

ThatLindseyGuy 07 Oct 2008, 12:37pm

My perspective is this. As far as Icelandic deposits go, compensation is a fairly easy process as the would be paid in Icelandic Krona (ISK).

The government simply would have to print more ISK to pay comensation to its citizens with, then worry about the effects of further currency devaluation and subsequent inflation later.

Foreign depositors are a different kettle of fish, as they require payment in euros (EUR). Iceland has only about EUR 1.9 billion in gold and foreign exchange reserves and all its major banks are insolvent or close enough.

Landsbanki owes the equivalent EUR 6.4 billion to its UK depositors alone. Even if only 50% of this were required to satisfy the EUR 20,000 per depositor compensation -- and this would be very low -- that would be EUR 3.2 billion owed just to UK savers in Landsbanki

So even in the best of possible worlds, the Icelandic government would have to borrow several billion euro to satify its foreign deposits.

And nobody is going to lend to them at anything other than usurious rates of interest given the current turmoil, if they can borrow at all.

Therefore I think it highly likely that Iceland defaults and allows the other European countries to make their own depositors whole.

tanyadaly 07 Oct 2008, 12:40pm

Actually, I thought from one of your previous articles that foreign investors into Iceland would not have their savings covered buy UK rules which to me seems fair enough. And thanks to Motley, that same article dissuaded me from putting my money into an Icelandic bank account because you did mention the risks based on their ability to repay the money if something went awry and I went for an Abbey account instead :-)

shopophobic 07 Oct 2008, 12:42pm

Kaupthing Edge is still the top of the TMF list for savings accounts - !

Bantanon 07 Oct 2008, 1:03pm

Picking up on the earlier question about ISA's in Icesave - I'd also like to know what the situation is regarding any loss of 'tax free' ISA status (assuming a full payout that is!).

Tanyadaly,
I don't have all my money in Icelandic bank accounts so the current situation is a worry but not a personal disaster, plus I think I've got good reason to expect some if not all of my Icesave money back - however out of respect to people who may be far more affected I'd hope I'd have the good grace to avoid adding smug little smiley tags to my post!

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 1:20pm

I imagine they just hand you the cash, its ISAness gone. It can be reinvested into another ISA right? I've never done this before.

JeniWalker 07 Oct 2008, 1:21pm

I had selected annual interest on both of my Icesave accounts I was due to find out how much interest I had made next April- it this money lost?

MarkH77 07 Oct 2008, 1:21pm

Completely agree with the comments on the inconsiderate smug smiley tags on posts of this nature!... Thanks to Motley a lot of people also have money IN Icesave! Have been trying to follow up with the FSCS myself on clarification on how the compensation Scheme works for investments below 16,100 should the Icelandic government be unable too cover this and to date the telelphone number for the FSCS is not working! Perhaps an early indicator on the FSCS's ability to cope with an influx of claims!

tokiakasu 07 Oct 2008, 1:27pm

I think we should all calm down and wait a few days for the governments, banks and regulators to draw up the process for recovering money and announce it. If we all try to call the FSCS at once, of course their phone lines won't be able to cope. I'm confident we will all get our money back, and probably within 3 months or so - but we need to stop panicking! (and yes, I have 5 figure sums with Icesave amongst others).

MrRee007 07 Oct 2008, 1:28pm

Phew .. within hours I managed to get most of my money out, but left my ISA as I didn't want to risk losing the Tax breaks on it.

With hindsight, that was a stupid thing to have done - better to have removed the lot and lost the Tax benefits .. than to lose the money.

I fully expect Iceland to wash its hands of the UK Depositors. I'm not sure the UK Government would want to step in either, to be perfectly honest!

Dire straights!!

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 1:32pm

There's a handy Times Q+A here. Doesn't tell us much more than we know but might get updated.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/savings/article4898782.ece

JeniWalker - I think I've read that the FSCS will give you your capital but doesn't include compensating for accrued interest.

MonsterMixer 07 Oct 2008, 1:39pm

Just chill out and wait to see what happens here...

I managed to give my wife £15k to put in an Icesave fixed rate bond a while ago... which I've just found out nicely puts it underneath the compensation Iceland is meant to pay out!

We're in the same boat, let's just see how it pans out. I've got the added ignominy of a good roasting by my wife!

Iceland has been in trouble for a while, but wasn't when the bloomin' thing was opened.

2hindy 07 Oct 2008, 1:42pm

as i took an iceland isa with your recommendation
remind me to take your future advice with a pinch of salt!!!!

MonsterMixer 07 Oct 2008, 1:44pm

BTW, worth remembering that Landsbanki only has UK savings operations, and that it is plausible for this operation to be sold as a going concern.

Let's just wait, OK?

gortnomore 07 Oct 2008, 1:49pm

What happens for those of us who started to transfer our ISAs out early last week - I think the recipient bank will be a fair target!

Knox95 07 Oct 2008, 1:50pm

I'm confused why The Fool consistently and even very recently recommended both Icesave and Kaupthing saving products (which I took note of and invested in). Having read Robert Peston's blog on the BBC website, it was clear that Iceland itself has been in trouble for at least three years and serious (institutional)investors were warned off. If Peston is able to dig out facts like that, what are the Fool journalists doing? Is this recommendation of products without research into the solidity behind? Or did these Icelandic banks pay to have their products advertised? Is the Fool impartial?

Filipuk 07 Oct 2008, 1:53pm

I'm over the Iceland Govt limit but thankfully moved some money yesterday so am under the FSC limit. I'm resigned to a long haul on this one, but would also like to know if anyone can clarify the ISA question. When I do get the ISA money back, will I be able to reinvest it this tax year?

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 1:55pm

Recommendation isn't the same as forcing someone. There's still an assumption of personal responsibility. You read the article, you go do a bit of research, you make a decision.

I thought about removing my ISA from Icesave yesterday but I then decided to see what happens. Everything could have been alright - everything could have gone wrong. I'm not going to 'blame' the Fool for making me aware of a product I chose to gamble (a bit) on. I could have kept my safe little 4.5% ISA but chose to be a little riskier and a bit greedier :)

We'll get the money back. Relax. It's a bump in the road.

bobfruit 07 Oct 2008, 2:00pm

It's also worth remembering that the Fool isn't your financial advisor. They can only make recommendations based on interest rates and withdrawal limitations, not account suitability and certainly no guarantees.

If you blame a website for guiding your whole financial approach, don't be surprised if that website gets it wrong from time-to-time. They're hardly in cahoots with the Icelandic government, are they?

Ever since the Northern Rock débacle, every saver should be wise enough to diversify their savings pot across different providers. If you didn't and simply went for the one account with the highest rate for all cash, then you take that risk when the bad times come. Like now.

MonsterMixer 07 Oct 2008, 2:03pm

And for those people who took out bonds before the Northern Rock disaster, what wise words of hindsight do you have for them Bob?

bobfruit 07 Oct 2008, 2:06pm

Locking your money away for any period of time is a risk you take in exchange for higher-than-average reward. But I wouldn't put all my savings into one.

jahwerks 07 Oct 2008, 2:07pm

the reports from icelandic media say that they're looking to sell off all their foreign assets, so it wouldn't surprise me if icesave customers turn out to be santander or hsbc customers next week....

muffin456 07 Oct 2008, 2:18pm

I will be keeping a eye on how this develops:

Would Icesave continue to be operating, perhaps under reduced 'capacity'? I really hope this is the case. At this stage I wouldn't care too much about competitive rates etc, but to be able to behave as a bank with cashflow.

Would it fold completely leaving us to apply for our money back? My view is unlikely but it's not impossible.

If so, what about ISA tax wrapper? I guess if you have quite a few years built up you would be a little narked.

Also keeping an eye on kaupthing. Like many of us, I got sucked in by good rates - this was a few years back. I did my research and thought it to be safe. This past few months has been an eye opener.

deeplyblue 07 Oct 2008, 2:22pm

I have (still) some money in Kaupthing, reckoning that it's covered by the compensation scheme in the UK.

However, I only took the surplus above the compensation limit out yesterday. The KE site (which is still coming up quickly and easily BTW) show the money as having left that account. However, my Halifax account has not yet received the money. So, a question which arises in this situation:

If a bank goes bust, and your money is in transit between banks, is it covered by anyone? Does it count as being in the sending bank, the receiving bank or neither?

I don't think that I want to start clarting around with CHAPS, but I do wish they'd got on with speedier transfers months ago.

bobfruit 07 Oct 2008, 2:37pm

I, too, took money from my Kaupthing Edge account yesterday. I'd love to know the exact answer on the BACS question, but my novice understanding that is as long as you authorised the transfer before 2pm yesterday, it would be processed that night.

My (again, novice) understanding is that it then sits either in a clearing house or with the target bank for a couple of days.

My previous experience of withdrawing from Kaupthing Edge is that withdrawing by 2pm on a Monday meant the money was in my receiving account on Wednesday morning.

With regard to "Faster Payments", Nationwide are still rolling theirs out, apparently....

MonsterMixer 07 Oct 2008, 2:43pm

I think it's an odd move by the Icelandic government to close down Landsbanki yet allow Kaupthing to continue trading.

Fairly obvious really that everyone will rush to withdraw their savings from Kaupthing...! Just storing up more problems for themselves...

teecee90 07 Oct 2008, 2:55pm

Wife and I both have Cash ISAs with ICESAVE and savings with Kaupthing Edge. I have just withdrawn all my money from KE. I hope it goes through quickly just in case they get in trouble as well. There will probably be a run on KE and I realise that I am contributing to it, but if I lose my KE money as well as the ICESAVE ISAs I will be well and truely stuffed. I just cant afford to risk it.

I too would be interested to know what happens to the ISA wrapper in the event that I do get any of my money back from ICESAVE. Anybody?

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 2:56pm

I've just recently opened an account with Kaupthing Edge and invested £30K £10K of which is still in transit from my other bank account. I am deeply concerned about the Financial situation in Iceland and would be interested to learn if it would be wise to reinvest my money elsewhere (ING for an example). Although I understand that my money is protected by the FSA, I cannot afford to wait months to recover my money should KE go bust. Any comments would be appreciated.

snowcat100 07 Oct 2008, 3:05pm

Unfortunately, I've got savings with Icesave and the Heritable Bank. Earlier today, the Heritable also stopped new transactions, though I've not seen any comments or news on it yet. I'm worried about how long this will take to resolve, as I rely on the savings.

MonsterMixer 07 Oct 2008, 3:06pm

Icesave = Heritable bank, no?

I think they're both Landsbanki?

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 3:19pm

Is everyone rushing to withdraw thier savings from Kaupthing Edge?

muffin456 07 Oct 2008, 3:48pm

I have saved ISA in Icesave, savings in KE, and some in Alliance and Leicester. So it seems I've lost out on Icesave.

What about KE? I've heard all the reassurances. I understand all the economic reasons and what not, but I can't read the future.

Therefore I'm defnitatley thinking about transferring to A&L until things perk up. I understand some will feel the same. But unlike Northen Rock (I would've stuck to that bank) is that I don't know if it will bounce back.

Azurian 07 Oct 2008, 3:51pm

I too have savings both in Icesave and Heritable. Icesave paperwork shows it as "a trading style of Landsbanki Islands hf" but Heritable shows as "Heritable Bank Ltd a member of the Landsbanki Group. Registered in Scotland" I took it they were separate entities in the eyes of the FSA as they had different FSA numbers but now I am beginning to worry if they will be treated as one by the FSCS. Does anybody know about this.

deeplyblue 07 Oct 2008, 3:57pm

@birdybird

Yes, probably they are. What I've done is to leave the amount in that's covered by the FSCS, but I confess that I'm wondering if I should get that out as well, only leaving what we can afford to lose (a couple of hundred pounds) to keep the account open in case we want to go back there in a few weeks.

The thing that's worrying me is that the Prime Minister of Iceland was talking about asking "friends" for help and not getting it. So does that mean that the Nordic banks, who were supposed to backing the Icelandic banks, have ducked out? In that case, Kaupthing Edge is in trouble too.

I'm guessing, BTW, that the Icelandic government wanted at least ONE functioning bank in their system and that they will want to keep KE alive.

Prediction as to whether they will save their country's economy seems pointless, however, just at the moment. This seems to me to be a big worry - if one Western economy can just go, then we are all a lot less secure.

deeplyblue 07 Oct 2008, 4:08pm

@Azurian

from www.howsafeisyourmoney.co.uk

"Heritable Bank Limited uses the FSA registration number 139207.

Heritable Bank Limited has no other trading names registered with the FSA."

"ICESAVE uses the FSA registration number 207250.

ICESAVE is a trading name registered with the FSA by Landsbanki Islands hf.

Landsbanki Islands hf is registered with the FSA under the "EEA passport" scheme.
This means that in the event of default, your first claim for compensation is against the supervisor in the home country of Landsbanki Islands hf."

So they are separate, and it sounds as though Heritable Bank is covered by the standard FSCS guarantee. Their website is still looking as though it is operating normally, and it does say that they are, "Subscribers to the UK Financial Services Compensation Scheme."

izaacwalton 07 Oct 2008, 4:34pm

I listened to the whole broadcast with the Icelandic PM. The most worrying bit was his assertion that, other than the Scandinavian nations,its friends had abandoned it in its hour of greatest need. Hence the need for it to look for new friends.

Now,does anyone seriously think that the Russians would do provide this much help without some quid pro quo (like the establishment of a military base there? Also will there not be negative sentiment towards the plight of investors in those countries who refused to provide financial help? The committment to supporting domestic investors speaks volumes. Why not all investors? I think we could be waving bye bye to 15K unless the British FSCS steps into the gap.

noelmarkham 07 Oct 2008, 4:43pm

According to moneysavingexpert, the British FSCS will bridge the gap should Iceland slip into the sea...

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/safe-savings#iceland

deeplyblue 07 Oct 2008, 4:49pm

@izaacwalton

What reason do we have to think that he was referring to the Russians as the unhelpful "friends2? Could it not have been, for example, the US? Or the EU?

Maybe the Russians are the potential "new friends" to whom he referred, who might be more helpful - though given the problems on the Moscow stock market, I wouldn't be looking for financial stability from there.

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 4:50pm

"It says it's very aware of the problem, and the government is talking to its Icelandic counterparts to find a solution, with the key being that UK savers deposits are protected.

However, there is no final answer so far, the Treasury is continuing to discuss it's course of action, and this article will be updated as soon as anything further is decided."

noelmarkham, doesn't look like it's been decided yet.

Did the 'friends' refer to the other countries who were supposed to finance Iceland's shortfall? Uh oh.

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 4:51pm

@deeplyblue

Worth reading the announcement made on KE website (if you haven't done so already). Interesting section is:

"The Central Bank is now supporting Kaupthing. Kaupthing has received support from the government in the form of a 500 million Euro loan from the Central Bank to facilitate the continuation of business as usual. In addition, the Central Bank has just announced that Iceland has received a 4 billion euro loan from the Russian government, which will help stabilize the Icelandic krona and inject much needed liquidity into the Icelandic financial system."

Plus we're covered up to £50K by the FSCS as you said so I'm thinking of just leaving in there what I can afford to wait to get back and have already transfered the bulk to another account, money I need instance access to. Like you I'm going to keep the account open with a view to re transfer money back if things become more stable. There's no doubt that the rate is the best on the market.

This could be a matter of major scaremongering which the media love doing. I have read some very encouraging reports about KE so we may all be shooting ourselves in the foot by making withdrawals as this could potentially 'break the bank'. I guess it's a 'wait and see' situation.

All depends on how quickly you need access to your money and if you are in a position to wait several months for the FSCS to ensure the safe return of your investment if things should go belly up. Bottom line is you won't loose your money (up to £50K), it'll just take time to get it back.

Yukimaru 07 Oct 2008, 4:54pm

The concern with Icesave really is whether or not we'll lose it. I don't mind hanging around for months for the FSCS, nor losing the interest - but the media is really enjoying the fact that Iceland's government might not have the cash to honour the first £16k as promised and there's nowhere left for that cash to come from. I think some articles are making it sound much worse than it is though.

deeplyblue 07 Oct 2008, 4:56pm

@birdybird

Thanks for that quotation from the KE site - I checked earlier today, but hadn't seen that bit about a Russian loan. So my guess that the Icelandic PM's "new friends" might be the Russians was not far off, even if my guess that the Russians couldn't afford it was wrong!

MuppetKeeper 07 Oct 2008, 4:58pm

I'm afraid I'm taking a limp of money out of KE, I've just lost £30k of accessible funds in Icesave, and need some money to live on. Like the others, hoping my money actually leaves KE before they go belly up.
I know I'm making it worse, but like I said, I can't have all my savings tied up in compensation schemes.

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 5:06pm

@deeplyblue

Spot on. Wonder if the PM has any other 'new friends'? Let's hope so.

Icemadmaiden 07 Oct 2008, 5:11pm

I have to say I now completely distrust the Fool as I took out both Icesave and Kaupthings accounts recently on their reccomendation..there was never any hint of insecurity!

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 5:12pm

@MuppetKeeper

Don't blame you after your Icesave experience, that's a tough thing to happen. However, unlike Icesave, your KE investment will be protected by FSCS so you won't loose your money as long as it's under £50K.

Like you I too have just transfered a lump sum out of my KE account, my confidence levels in the Icelandic economy is not very strong at the moment. Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed until Friday when it should arrive in my other account.

birdybird 07 Oct 2008, 5:34pm

There is hope, here's the latest report on SKY re: Icesave Customers.

What does the nationalisation mean for UK customers?

The Banking Compensation Scheme "expects (Icelandic internet bank) Icesave to default", meaning 300,000 UK savers may need to claim compensation.

The Icelandic Prime Minister Geir Haarde has said he believes the lender has enough assets to cover British c