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Published in Savings on 3 October 2008

If your bank goes bust, the compensation scheme can now pay out a maximum of £50,000 instead of £35,000. This is welcome news but it doesn’t go far enough.

We’ve written many times in recent weeks about the Financial Services Compensation Scheme.  In a nutshell, it will compensate savers if your bank goes bust. However, the maximum compensation on offer until now has been £35,000.

Today the Financial Services Authority has announced that the maximum compensation will rise to £50,000 from Tuesday. In all other respects, the scheme hasn’t changed. You can read more about the nuts and bolts of the scheme here.

Today’s news is welcome. But it doesn’t go far enough. At The Fool, we think that the government should guarantee all deposits at UK banks – as has happened in Ireland. It’s a drastic measure but we believe it’s the only way to restore full confidence to the UK banking sector.  Read more about our view in this article by Cliff D’Arcy.

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Wolfgang39 03 Oct 2008, 9:49pm

How safe are savings in the Nationwide Building Society? Any comments?

Dhahran2001 04 Oct 2008, 7:54am

You are arguing for the benefit of 2% of savers all of whom have choice and the opportunity to put their savings in 'National Savings & Investment' or in 'Northern Rock' or any 'Gilt' they like.

Given that the EU may well react to what Dublin has done this TMF campaign may come to look very foolish.

Campaigns don't become admirable just because they make for good 'Sound Bites'.

HanSolo8 04 Oct 2008, 8:33am

Whatever you think, UK deposit are already "de facto" guaranteed because the government would never allow a bank to go bust.
If it was the case I reckon they'd prefer nationalising than face a riot.
Things are sorted on a case-by-case basis (as they did with Northern Rock, HBOS or B&B).

Why can't they just tell it?

Because it would mean the Government taking onto its books up to £1,900bn in banking assets – a sum far in excess of Britain's annual output of £1,300bn.
That would be very bad news for UK bonds, for the pound and for interest rates.

"Guarantee! guarantee!" is the same sort of collective hysteria we saw last year with Northern Rock (remember, it was "Withdraw! withdraw!).

Keep your cold blood and don't be fool on that one....

annieroup 04 Oct 2008, 8:50am

If you bank with The Clydesdale Bank owned by National Australian Bank you would receive £100,000 compensation

TimeValue 04 Oct 2008, 9:35am

Brown and co keep saying our deposits are safe. If they are so confident it would cost them nothing to issue a guarantee because there would never be a call on it.
Such a guarantee would resolve most of the confidence problems which would make people shift their cash to the Irish banks or into gold (people doing this are going to lose out - the ramping of gold is being done by those who have already done it trying to pump up the price). With confidence restored the possibility of a call on the deposit guarantee reduces further still.
The fact that Brown does not issue the guarantee suggest to me that he is lying about the security of deposits. This is the real reason that NR has stopped taking deposits. NR is also reducing its savings interest rates in an attempt to push away existing depositors.
The Irish know the game is up and have issued a guarantee they can't fulfil in the hope the worst won't happen. The bonus is that they get some liquid cash from overseas savers to prop up their system.
Brown needs to keep as much UK owned cash in UK banks as he can an he needs to wake up PDQ. Matching the Irish guarantee could be a vital step.

RayMagini 04 Oct 2008, 10:24am

poppodco
That's because 90% of people are :
Buy whatever they fancy, without a thought about future (Buy now, pay later culture)
MEWed to buy a fancy new BMW X2,Two holidays a year (atleast some of them)
Try to keep up with jones's (neighbours, relatives)
Financially ignorant

I know that some people don't earn that much, to save 50,000 in a bank. But I am writing about others who have the capability to save 50,000, but simply blow it on frivolous things, and hope state will take care of them if anything untoward happens to them !

Staycool19 04 Oct 2008, 11:20am

I retired after working hard for lots of years and took part of my pension as a lump sum. I ignored the advice of the advisors who said invest in this that or the other and I put it all in savings accounts. This is the best thing I could have done because the few shares I have are now only worth half of their value one year ago. It may be at risk but I have now spread it amongst different banks so it should all be safe.
Do the contributors think that my pension lump sum should not be protected? I will never agree with that, it is my pension which is only deferred income.
I may be in the 2% with more than £50,000 in savings but I do not consider myself one of the rich.

roberto2008 04 Oct 2008, 11:33am

RE= If you bank with The Clydesdale Bank owned by National Australian Bank you would receive £100,000 compensation


Can someone clarify if this statement is true because I have just looked up information in Australia that does not substantiate this claim .Unless some authenticity is backed up on this statement it would seem to be incorrect.

rollseyesnsighs 04 Oct 2008, 4:52pm

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now be worth £4.95, with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been worth £16.50, £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5, but if you bought £1000 worth of Tennents Lager one year ago, drank it all, then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get £214. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and re-cycle.

TMFArkle 04 Oct 2008, 5:51pm

Hi Hansolo,

'"Guarantee! guarantee!" is the same sort of collective hysteria we saw last year with Northern Rock (remember, it was "Withdraw! withdraw!).


Well, we published an article on Northern Rock during the run, and advised readers not to panic and withdraw.

I still think that a full guarantee would be the best way to restore confidence. Yes, the EU may clamp down on Ireland, but I suspect that the EU would change its mind if France introduced a full guarantee as has been widely rumoured. And if the UK introduced one too, I think it would be a tough corner for the commission to fight regardless of pro-competition provisions in EU law.

Regards,

Ed

jeliciousjune 04 Oct 2008, 8:26pm

Has anyone any news about the Iclandic Banks as I put some money into Icesave because of the 35,000 limit wanting to spread it around - I know they are part of the EU only promises to guarantee 16,500 and the UK the rest - how will the new UK £50,000 limit affect this?

fenemore 04 Oct 2008, 9:31pm

I find it incredible that just 2% of the population have £50k saved up. Considering half the population is over 50 years of age - I would have thought that most have now paid off their mortgages. Escaping the shackles of debt, am I naive in expecting at least some of them to save for their retirement?

It is reasonable to expect young to be blasé about retirement planning as clearly "they are never going to get old", but once that expection evaporates as the appearance of an odd grey hair wakes them up from their drunken stupor, ignoring this reality check will cost them dear.

Perhaps it is me that is naive? Maybe saving hard was not such a good idea after all. Should I blow it all on living the high life and let the State take care of my future?

Try as I might, I cannot imagine following that course. So there you are, I can pay for myself. Having kept my part of the deal, the least I should expect is a guarantee that my savings are safe. Is that too much to ask? And yes I am in that 2%.

Dhahran2001 05 Oct 2008, 8:30am

I could afford to put more than £50K in a few savings banks but most of what I have saved for my retirement is in property, shares and gilts. Many other 'fools' are probably equally foolish and have adopted this 'diversified' - risk spreading - strategy. Probably the falls in the value of our property and many of our shares don't bother us yet because we don't need to sell; certainly my rental income and share dividends have not collapsed yet.
But of course it is true that if I had got the timing perfect I could have sold property and shares at the top of their markets and kept all the proceeds in cash. Hindsight is wonderful. Perhaps Fenemore diversified as I did but had the perfect hindsight and now has just cash?

fenemore 05 Oct 2008, 1:20pm

Yes Dhahran2001, I do have most (about 90% actually) of my savings in cash. The other 10% is in a share portfolio - probably worth less than half of what it was a year ago. However I took the view that you should never invest more than you are prepared to lose. Secondly, and I cannot emphasise this strongly enough - NEVER EVER listen to a "Financial Advisor", either tied or independant.

For years my bank's "Consultant" has pestered me to "put my savings to work" rather than leave it to accrue a modest interest annually. Had I done as he advised I would be a lot lot poorer today.
Not only would the value of my investment be lower, but I would be paying an annual "management" fee for the privelage!

Much better to do your own research - and subsequently make your own decisions. They wont always be good ones, but at least they are yours.

peepobaby 05 Oct 2008, 8:09pm

Germany now has unlimited guarantee. If Gordon Brown is so confident in the banks - he implies that he has an inside track into what's going on - and will do anything to stop a bank failing due to liquidity problems, then there's nothing to lose in offering an unlimited guarantee. But what he has said is very telling. He will not let a sound, solvent bank fail for lack of liquidity. Banks which are not sound and solvent may be allowed to fail. That's why the deposit guarantee is not unlimited. I think he'll have to change his plans though.

RaspberryFool 06 Oct 2008, 8:00am

I find it incredible that just 2% of the population have £50k saved up
I thought that the original quote was that just 2% of the savings accounts had more than £50k in them. It may well be that the older, more diligent savers have ensured that they spread around their nest eggs between multiple providers in order to ensuret hat they are protected by the £35k compensation limit.

landlordray 06 Oct 2008, 2:34pm

I feel like the world is about to collapse, with 8 buy to let flats, my pension invested in stocks and shares and a fair amount of my cash in Icelandic Banks (albeit below the £35k compo limit). What do you do other than just sit tight and hope for the best.

bibbia 08 Oct 2008, 11:36am

Can anybody tell me how one claim against the fscs?
I currently hold some £37000 in ice bank. (£31000 of this in a 2yr fixed term bond, expiring in oct 09 and the remainder in an 'easy access' account.)
I have attempted to contact the FSCS,Icebank & Landbanski direct but have received no answer.

bibbia

Ed999 08 Oct 2008, 2:00pm

Go to http://www.fscs.org.uk

The page you will want is http://www.fscs.org.uk/consumer/How_to_Claim/

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