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How Bad Was The Last Housing Crash?

Cliff D'Arcy

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Cliff D'Arcy

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Published in Property and Home on 25 January 2008

With the housing market showing signs of weakness, we reveal the sharp drops across the UK during the last slump.

Although it started over eighteen years ago, I recall the last property slump very clearly. The cracks in the property market started in the summer of 1989, when I was still at university in London. Being an impoverished student prevented me from getting on the property ladder. Thus, I was fortunate to miss out on the late dash to buy property and the price falls that later followed. Phew!

However, in mid-1992, my girlfriend (who later became Mrs D'Arcy) and I decided to buy our first home, with some helpful financial support from her father. Eventually, we found a little house that appeared to be right up our street (pun intended). It had been on the market for £100,000 without success, leading the sellers to drop the price to £90,000.

Given that property prices had been falling steadily over the previous few years, I knew that buyers were in a good negotiating position. Hence, I offered the sellers £15,000 less than the asking price, or £75,000. It turned out that the house needed some damp-proofing work, which I paid for by agreeing a further £2,500 reduction. Thus, I bought for £72,500 against an original asking price of £100,000. That's a 27.5% reduction, which isn't bad, agreed?

(Although I may have timed my entry to the housing market almost to perfection, that's more than I can say for my exit. Since selling my house in the spring of 2005, it has risen in value by perhaps 30%. So, I'm a long way from being a property guru!)

Still, my own experience of buying a property during a downturn provided me with an interesting lesson on how low prices can go when sellers get desperate. But how does my personal anecdote compare with the rest of the UK's property crash? Let's take a look, using the quarterly house price index (HPI) figures provided by Halifax, the UK's biggest mortgage lender:

Across the UK, from peak to trough

According to the Halifax HPI, here are the figures for the top and bottom of the housing crash for the UK as a whole:

High/Low

House price (£)

Q2 1989

69,850

Q3 1995

61,115

Difference (£)

-8,735

Change (%)

-12.5

Therefore, in the 6¼ years between mid-1989 and the end of September 1995, the average UK property lost an eighth (12.5%) of its value. However, most of this fall occurred from 1989 to 1992. House prices then drifted up and down during 1993 to 1995 before setting out on a twelve-year winning streak.

So, that's the situation for the United Kingdom as a whole. Now let's find the individual peaks and troughs for each of the UK's twelve regions (in alphabetical order):

East Anglia

High/Low

House price (£)

Q4 1988

86,493

Q1 1993

57,200

Difference (£)

-29,293

Change (%)

-33.9

As you can see, the property market peaked earlier in East Anglia than it did in the UK as a whole, and prices started to recover much earlier, hitting a low in early 1993. However, the plunge was much more painful in the fens, with prices dropping by more than a third in 4¼ years. Ouch!

East Midlands

High/Low

House price (£)

Q2 1989

65,862

Q3 1995

52,618

Difference (£)

-13,244

Change (%)

-20.1

The East Midlands peaked and bottomed out at the same points as the UK as a whole, but the decline was steeper at a fifth (20%). Thus, homebuyers in this region suffered a bit more than those in the UK generally.

Greater London

High/Low

House price (£)

Q4 1988

105,234

Q1 1993

75,832

Difference (£)

-29,402

Change (%)

-27.9

London peaked six months earlier than the rest of the UK and began its recovery in early 1993 - 2½ years ahead of the rest of the UK. Today, many people view London as a housing ‘fortress' which will avoid much of the pain to come. Alas, history tells a different story, with a peak-to-trough loss of 28% in just 4¼ years. Yikes!

Northern Ireland

Northern Ireland is an interesting case, as it largely avoided the boom and bust experience elsewhere. This is in part thanks to its geographical separation from the rest of the UK, and partly due to the political and social situation that existed before ‘The Troubles' ended. Indeed, apart from a 0.9% drop in 1989 and a 2.5% fall in 1992, NI property prices have risen every year since 1984.

Amazingly, the average property in the Six Counties is now valued at £216,255, compared to £197,071 for the rest of the (much higher-earning) UK. Thus, in my view, the housing bubble in NI is under the greatest pressure and will burst spectacularly. The outcome will be far from pretty!

North West

High/Low

House price (£)

Q2 1991

60,787

Q4 1995

52,158

Difference (£)

-8,629

Change (%)

-14.2

Property prices in the North West peaked much later, with the top arriving two years after the UK peak. Then again, they began recovering at roughly the same time. However, NW prices dropped slightly more than the UK as a whole, down a seventh (14%) over 4½ years.

North

High/Low

House price (£)

Q4 1991

54,968

Q3 1995

48,750

Difference (£)

-6,218

Change (%)

-11.3

The North did rather well in the last property downturn, with the average price peaking much later at the end of 1991. However, prices started rising in Q3 1995, in line with the rest of the UK. Thanks to its shorter ‘property recession', prices in the North declined a mere ninth (11%) during its setback. That's a slight improvement on the UK in general.

That's the first six regions of the UK out of the way. In part two of this article, I look at the remaining six regions: the South East, South West, Scotland, Wales, the West Midlands, and Yorkshire & Humberside. See you there!

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NZJenn 28 Jan 2008, 8:03am

Not directed at the author, just a general comment... Does anyone else feel that all these experts (appearing on tv, etc) predicting a housing crash are fueling panic and thus actually contributing towards creating a housing crash?

selfimportant 28 Jan 2008, 8:39am

What happened to the West Midlands?

TimTomII 28 Jan 2008, 8:43am

It amazes me that there is the thought that a House should always be a bank. Houses are homes and if you are lucky enough, after having a home for a few years, to find it has increased in value - GREAT. We are in a phase where expectations will need to be re-calibrated so we value our houses for what they are (shelters), and the comfort they offer, and not just for what we sell them for compared to the price they were bought at. No one likes to overpay for anything but if you can afford what you have, and it is a home you enjoy living in, then be satisfied with that for now even if the market price drops 20-30%. This idea of always making money out of property has become an obsession. It's not healthy. The roof over your head is a necessity not a business.

CodeGimp 28 Jan 2008, 8:50am

For the past few years there have been property "experts" from Sarah Beeny to "Kirsty & Phil" who appear to have contributed towards this property bull market. One hand giveth, the other taketh away I guess. What's the problem? :-)

Anfauglir 28 Jan 2008, 9:07am

TimTomII, I quite agree. Sure - your house may be worth £££££s - but so what? To realise that wealth you either have to sell it (and then spend the money on another house) or you have to borrow against its value (so you no longer own as much of the house).

Boydey 28 Jan 2008, 9:14am

I think 'The Fool', are just joining-in with the "lets all have a good recession" brigade. If we keep talking about it, it will happen.

grhall 28 Jan 2008, 9:49am

If people take the time to look at housing market statistics over the last umpteen years, they will realise that after every 10-12 years, generally speaking, house prices double. There will always be the time where prices drop and there is a slump but house prices will always go up. I'm actually thinking about buying a second property and all this talk about properties dropping in price don't bother me as I know if I hang on to mine for a longish period, it WILL go up in price.

seansonofbig 28 Jan 2008, 9:53am

If you want to look at long-term house price rises, you will see that a graph plotted against the long-term average shows housing 40-50% overvalued, a very similar number to the ratio of average price to average wages. It's not people talking the market down, but us reaching the point of unsustainability in supporting it with nothing more than hot air.

magonzacha 28 Jan 2008, 10:11am

Yes, absolutely agree with NZ Jenn comments. Because of USA housing problems all these professional comments tend to force a situation that here in England maybe is not the case, things are very different from USA here.

ArtemisFowl 28 Jan 2008, 10:14am

The Warren Buffet approach there from grhall (last post) - although I believe he didn't make his initial fortune using that strategy. Longer cycles than the 12 year cycle identify (the accumulation and then) the need to un-wind debt as the trigger of a long (10-20yr) downturn. We are now more heavily in debt than ever with the liquidity crises still rapping up. The only ones with and cash are in Asia. Traditionally there shoud now be a re-alignment of capital and resources - with alot of ecomonic power transferring to Asia: nothing new there. People often talk about demographics as being the backbone of housing demand - true, but that isn't the same as high price inflation. House prices rise in good part because finacial institutions lend more and more money. If we are about to experience of world banking crisis then the recovery rules that applied in '89 etc may not quite repeat - because at least in some part, the Asian banking system will be calling the shots (they may not be quite a stupid and greedy of western bankers - although they probably will be once we dangle a nice new beamer in front of them!). Regarding talking the market down - that is bound to be a factor when markets are almost totally based on confidence with capital values in many sectors based in income generated from consumers which the consumers cannot afford spend - apart from their personal balance sheet being buoyed by burgeoning property values - based on freely available finance. The whole thing is a pack of cards waiting for someone to notice that naked Emperor.

AdAstra100 28 Jan 2008, 10:14am

Surely the real issue is Negative Equity rather than the increase in value of the house. If you are a first time buyer then you will be at greatest risk particularly if you borrow more than say 75% ( that being a figure which, if the the Fool reports correctly, would have kept you out of negative equity in most regions during the 89 slump). Borrow more and you had better hope you bought in near the bottom and not want to move for, say, 5 years to ride out the slump. If you need to move to a bigger property the answer is still not to take a loan which exceeds the 75% after you have added any carried over equity (hopefully positive)that way you still have the room for a 25% drop before you actually start to lose real money. At the other end of the scale, downsizers may well see their profit reduced on a 'last but one' sale but if you have ridden a few slumps using the above maxims then you should still be fortunate and the final purchase will have reduced in price. 75% loan! I hear the cry! Well that is what it used to be unless you paid the excess loan premium to get additional funding a situation where 'they' clearly knew you ( and their investment) would be at risk. So perhaps there was a sound basis for the limit after all! Regards AdAstra

AdrianStannard 28 Jan 2008, 10:18am

My sentiments TimTomII and seansonofbig - overvalued and unsustainable, unless we want to become like Italy, where most people rent. And the situation has come about because at least 50% of MPs are landlords - they like to see the immigration-fuelled population increase push demand through the roof, with little chance of building enough new houses (for good reason, every new housing estate requires a careful rethink of infrastructure - roads, schools, the burden on water supplies and electricity - maybe you need to build a new power station etc).

GTM15 28 Jan 2008, 11:03am

I think your comments about house prices are in Northern Ireland are right on the money. The bubble was inflated by speculative investment from the cash rich Republic of Ireland and now since their own property price bubble is deflating the market in NI is going to have to return to a more grounded position. Developers in a nearby town of Lurgan Co-Armagh have been discounting houses by up to £50,000 to try to restart sales which have all but dried up. Only limited sucess. I agree there needs to be a substancial readjustment before we return to a healthy market.

FAZERSIX 28 Jan 2008, 11:13am

WRITTERS/TV ETC OF COURSE THEY ARE FUELING THE HOUSING CRASH, WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN IN MY OPINION, FOR THE THE REASONS BELOW ( ITS NOT A CRASH ITS A SLOWING )


100% WRITTERS FORGET INTEREST RATES AROUND LATE EIGHTIES EARLY NINETIES ROSE TO AROUND 16% ( SO COMPARE TODAYS ).

INTEREST RATES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TODAY, HOUSES IN THE NOTTINGHAM AREA ARE NOT OVER PRICED BY 20% AS PER RECENT COMMENTS ON THE FOOL SITE.

YOU CAN BUY A VERY NICE SEMI IN THE NOTTINGHAM AREA FOR £100/£125K SO HOW CAN THEY BE 20% OVERPRICED, LETS GET REAL INTEREST RATES GOVERN HOUSE PRICES AND THE HOUSING RENTAL MARKET, AS HOUSING RENTS RISE THEN HOUSING MARKET PRICES HAVE TO RISE, THINK ABOUT IT !

UNLESS THE HOUSING RENTAL MARKET COLLAPSES, 20% IS UNREALISTIC AS IS THE RENTAL MARKET CALLAPSE !

SORRY ABOUT MY SPELLING FAZERSIX

AdrianStannard 28 Jan 2008, 11:15am

Re-adjustment might be nothing more than wishful thinking, now that lending criteria is tightening up. Usually what happens in these scenarios is those at the bottom of the ladder will find it harder to get a mortgage to take advantage of lower prices, whilst those with plenty of money see an opportunity to snap up a load of houses on the cheap, boosting their portfolios even further, and therin creating an even bigger divide between supply and demand - thats precisely what happened in the early-mid '90s. Our government will do nothing to curtail that behaviour, because most of them are at it. Who would imagine a Labour government would be behind making the rich get richer and the poor get poorer!

AdrianStannard 28 Jan 2008, 11:21am

Not entirely true Fazersix - the last few years have seen an oversupply in the rental market - because so many bought into the borrow-to-let hype, and Tony just couldn't get the immigrants in fast enough to raise demand even higher. Rents have stayed almost constant in most areas of the country for the last decade compared to a near-doubling in house prices. Thus much of the demand in the housing market which bouyed prices was based on pure hype - it cuts both ways. PERHAPS YOU WILL LEARN TO WRITE WITHOUT LEAVING THE CAPS LOCK ON IN FUTURE.

AdrianStannard 28 Jan 2008, 11:33am

BTW yes it is true that interest rates rose to around 16% - but that was for a comparatively short period - and for that particular period, like now, was not a time that low-income first-time buyers could take advantage of. Prior to the early 90's the country had access to relatively cheap houses - and low prices meant they were less susceptible to fluctations in the base rate. In many cases house prices are 7 times their value in the 1980's, therefore a 7 times higher change in mortgage payments whenever interest rates vary.

Kimmerblee 28 Jan 2008, 12:14pm

I think we are all missing one vital point here. Gordon Brown pilfered £50bn per year from the pension funds leaving a lot of people facing penury in retirement. Those who could, grabbed their pension pot and bought property as the only way to ensure a cash rich retirement. Until such time as the pension crisis is sorted and people's confidence in pension funds return, it wont stop those with pension pots buying property which will bouy up the market. I think prices will decline, but its not going to be anywhere near as much as is predicted.

levelspirit 28 Jan 2008, 12:16pm

The article has generated a lot of comments but surely the problem is that we are all far too eager to try to be ahead of the game with listening to so much so-called expert opinion. The problem in the 1980s was a ridiculous boom fuelled by irresponsible lending/borrowing. A change in taxation (Aug '88) although apparently trivial in absolute value was enough to alter demand by first time buyers and the cheaper districts were hit first by a slowing of the market and this worked its way through to the more expensive properties. The influence of high interest rates clearly impacted heavily on the situation for a while and made the problem more acute. We now have a problem fuelled by a realisation that there has been irresponsible lending (firstly in the US) and obviously this has been happening in the UK too. The so-called experts are worried that they are exposed and it is the threat that they will have to start to lend more responsibly that is now fuelling uncertainty. So the problem seems to be that the irresponsible (or desperate) borrower is being squeezed out of the market and that should bring stability back in the longer term. Maybe the solution would be for some legislation and control in the lending market. What about a financial services agency that is not in the pocket of the insitutions?

Nickolarge 28 Jan 2008, 12:22pm

I bought a studio flat near Heathrow for £47,500 in 1990 and got no offers on an asking price of £38,000 in late 93.

thebemused1 28 Jan 2008, 12:55pm

Hmmm. Lots of diverse opinions, but facts are facts guys! The housing market has witnessed a rate of growth that is unsustainable in the longer term. Whether that results in a significant slow down or an out and out fall in prices, only time will tell. Having suffered in both the 80's housing crash and the dotcom collapse in 2000, I know that markets are neither considerate nor entirely predictable, but anyone looking back at those events can easily see the tell tale signs........... and guess what, they are here again. As they say on Crimewatch; don't have nightmares.......

levelspirit 28 Jan 2008, 1:31pm

There is only one way to prevent the debate from becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy and that is by not having the debate. However, the media can't be gagged (apparently) so how are we then to stop the average person talking about the 'credit crunch', 'the property slump' or similar shorthand labels for things that are very complex? The various indicies are created by larger lenders who deal mainly with the average borrower. This is only part of the story and I am deeply scepticle about the accuracy of their figures. Even the Land registry figures only reflect a history of sales and who can say whether when the value of average transactions rises it is just that it is only the larger (and higher value properties) that have sold? Conversely, when average prices seem to have fallen is it that people further up the ladder have stopped moving as much? Changing markets should not be reviewed and commented upon in short intervals. Maybe plotting housing values on a graph with stock market and income values may allay fears about whether the housing market is going to crash/boom in any long-term or significant way. Individually we need to buy and sell at the best possible price. The problem within the market is with those who will not sell (yet) in a rising market and who those who set an asking price that is unrealistically high in anticipation of a continued rising market. Trading of any kind is about achieving a satisfactory outcome and that might be to sell quickly as much as it is to sell at a high price. Greed is a strange motivator. It seems to cloud the judgement.

Nickolarge 28 Jan 2008, 1:49pm

I eventually sold the studio flat for £95,000 after renting it out at a profit of £200 per month for 12 years. I have just sold my house and taken £93,000 profit with me to a rented house where the rent is less than my old interest only mortgage. My mum is 80 and only when I inherit half of her house will I consider buying back in. And I am genuinely hoping that that is not for many years to come.

silverbullett 28 Jan 2008, 2:09pm

i agree with NZJenn

I think that the press are talking us in to a housing crash, unemployment is fairly low, interest rates are low, and economic growth of around 2-2.5% is good.
The media and press are fueling panic for sure.

valcane2 28 Jan 2008, 3:04pm

I agree with silverbullett in general, and with others posting in the same vein. I'd like to see house prices stabilise and continue to rise but SLOWLY - in line with one of the two measures of inflation that the Government uses selectively to suit themselves (depending whether they are talking about pay rises for the public sector or interest that unfortunates have to pay on student loans.) I am tired of all the guff in the press about house prices, and I wish they'd put a sock in it. It's mainly about confidence, and we are talking ourselves into a price crash perhaps. valcane2

AdrianStannard 28 Jan 2008, 5:23pm

Not entirely true silverbullett, the current economic growth is now the lowest its been for about 15 years, the outlook in the city makes recession look all the more likely - janurary is usually a very good indicator for how the rest of the year will pan out. Unfortunately hype is how markets the work, it cuts both ways, hype bouyed the housing market in the first place (all that twaddle about a house being an investment, which is nonsense for a single home owner) but as said earlier, borrow-to-letters are beginning to smell the coffee, with a saturated rental market, the returns on their portfolios are not all they were hyped up to be - so there is a lot of truth in all the "guff".

damsquare 29 Jan 2008, 8:42am

The media has been largely responsible for inflating the house prices in the first place - the swathe of property development, relocation, and buy-to-let programmes have fuelled homeowner over-confidence to its' current tipping point. As a wannabe first-time buyer it's frustrating talking to current homeowners with the blinkered 'house prices will never go down' attitude - how are 10-20%pa price rises over 12+ years sustainable in the long term? Wages pay mortgages at the end of the day so if these haven't been rising as fast something needs to give.

sparksoft 29 Jan 2008, 10:12am

Regarding NZJenn's comment ... I do not believe that the "experts" are fuelling the property downturn ... Far from it. They have talked *up* the market, and talked it up unreasonably. Estate agents, for understandable reasons are still talking it up, saying things like, "Now that the market is more sensible, sellers must ask reasonable prices" ... what they really mean is that the market is about to collapse, but they want it to keep going for as long as possible! Their commission depends upon it! The media only talk to those who talk things up. The truth is there are too many people with a vested interest trying to keep this machine going ... but it has run out of steam , rather like "New" Labour! :o) The market is like one of those cartoon characters that has run off the end of the cliff and stopped in mid air, legs still running manically ... There is no where for the first time buyers to go ... so the rest of the market (save for the very top) can't move either. Buy to let and foreign buyers artificially kept the market going for a while, but that market has now saturated and become less profitable than a building society account, so now there is almost zero movement. Until the bottom of the market falls back into easy reach (and I don't mean "pip-squeakingly, work all the hours God sends only just easy reach") then the market will continue to fall. The more estate agents and sellers try to con everyone that everything is fine and the current problems are just a "blip", the bigger and steeper the crash will be! No market can remain when the demand has gone. And the demand (at current prices) is well and truly gone! Fear has already gripped some sellers as they ask for more money even against the advice of their agent! The next stage will be with those whose mortagages have become unaffordable due to higher (real) inflation; they will finally realise that the market is in serious trouble and that prices really are falling, despite what the "experts" from the mortgage lenders and state agents have told them. Then these people will try to sell; others in the same position will panic and try to undercut each other to relieve themselves of their financial burden and that is when the real crash will begin, as the "buy mine its cheaper" game takes hold ... Its about time that the industry and those who seek to work in it were more honest with the public. (given the industry we are talking about that is probably asking too much!). It isn't irresponsible to say the market is in trouble and that prices are going down. Its just honest. It is okay to say "Reduced" instead of "New Price"! It is okay to say a house took nine months to sell when people can see anyway that the house that says "SOLD" in an August newspaper has snow on the ground in the picture! There would be a lot more stability and a lot less boom and bust if people in the industry were just honest with the public and if their commision was related to the work done and not the price of the property. But its all about short term gain isn't it? I believe that within two years, we will have a very different market from the current one. It remains to be seen whether the industry will become more sensible (less greedy) to iron out the peaks and troughs or boom and bust. Somehow, I doubt it.

somersville 29 Jan 2008, 2:56pm

lots of comments... but I think it is not about who is hyping the market up or down, at the end of the day where the focus should be is; how it is that individuals caught up in the current 'recession' are likely to really 'cope' with rising costs - I think we can accept that house prices go up and down, the same as any investment will - the difference is most of us actually 'live' in these 'investments' - when prices go up - I think the media should speak of 'solutions' to assist people live and keep their homes - make no mistake - it's a recession we are dealing with here; the same as in the late 80's and early 90's - which in turn affects our individual ability to keep and maintain the place in which we live, which is without a doubt the biggest investment most individuals are likely to make - in the last recession, there was high unemployment - redundancies and the like; Now, we have low unemployment, but low wages and increasing costs & inflation - whats the solution to bouy individuals through? - when costs increase - you fight back and increase your income - instead of one job, do two - if you are a couple then you increase your earning ability two fold - don't let this recession, take away what is and will be your pension and the stepping stone for your offspring - if action of this type is not taken - then it will be us the consumer that looses due to repossessions - not the government, and not the media!!

Accountantsmum 29 Jan 2008, 3:39pm

I'm fascinated by the way some commentators tell us the the rental market has dried up and, at the same time, the sale market has dried up. Where will new adults and particularly new couples live, then? Should I buy shares in tent makers?

K777NSY 29 Jan 2008, 9:32pm

Fools everywhere. You all talk of crash, but what's forcing it? Supply demand would dictate high prices, and demand's (real demand and need) is not likely to drop. Ratio mortgage to earnings is high, but affordabilty (% of earnings to repayments is low.) There's no driver for a crash, in fact bubble is not even started yet. USA will drop interest rates UK will follow, everyone will watch house prices stay stable(ish) laugh at experts, then everyone and his friend will pile back into property like it going out of fashion! Prices will rocket. Then and only then, when something changes, terror attack, stock market crash UK recession...etc, prices will drop like a rock. Houses got a good 25% gain to make yet.

FAZERSIX 30 Jan 2008, 4:34pm

I think there's a strong argument with the cost of buying your first home and the housing market rental costs, when the media stops scare mungering talking the housing market down and move onto to something different, it will change.

Lets face it interest rate are not high right now and if you work out the price of a terrace house in Nottingham today the price is ok for the time lapse between the late eighties early ninties boom and bust.

If houses dont sell where do people live, population increase immigration etc, very few council houses, high house rentals with a high criteria from letting agents.

The government and media caused the problems with boom and bust in the last decade, messing with tax relief mirus etc, media stating investor were travelling from London buying up property and so on, we have low interest rates now and nice semi in a good area can be purchased for around £120k, that's the reality.

The problem we all have today is negativity, if we all listened to the claptrap we would save our money in a box, below the bed example:-

Stock market collapsing
housing market callapsing
building society problems
bank bad debt
war in iraq
war in afghanistan
terrorism
global warming
aids
only 35k safe with your bank and so on where does it end, I keep positive heard it all before its a temporary blip, in My opinion.

sparksoft 30 Jan 2008, 6:31pm

People seem to be getting a little upset about anyone that says there might be a property crash of some description. Their main reason seems to be is they don't want it to happen! The facts are apparently irrelevent. But its all fairly simple. House inflation has otstripped wage growth many times over for far too long. The average wage does not give you enough money to buy a house. Not even if you send the wife AND the kids out to work. If the price of property is out of reach, either wages have to rise steeply (fat chance!), or prices have to fall (they are, depending where and who you believe, between £120 and £280 per day for an everage house). The other problem is, the REAL inflation figure (for all things) is nothing like the goverment official figure, which is making things worse. (For some reason, the government include things like iPods in their inflation basket, but leave out a load of expensive stuff that we can't avoid paying for). It makes their figures look good at PMQs, but just leaves a bemused look on the face on Mr & Mrs Average as they pay their bills and do their shopping! Things are not going to get better until some pain has been suffered. Any other thoughts are simply poor impressions of King Canute!

FAZERSIX 01 Feb 2008, 10:10pm

The problem with your posting is not making an allowance for different areas, its to general.

Example a couple working joint income £35k per annum gross, perhaps 5% deposit.

Nice semi in Nottinghamshire £120k no problem

A nice terrace house £100k no problem

The same couple move to a higher price housing area with higher criteria (problems)

Its my opinion that the housing market is a blip, the lenders will raise any monies lost from any mortgage defaults.

Example how many building societies went to wall in the nineties boom/bust,interest rates around 16%.

2008 cant be compered the early nineties, still it give the media food and frightens house buyers and creats doom and gloom.

Lets rent then 750pcm work out how much goes down the pan , the house rental market
cant be seen in general either, all depends which type of property you are letting and in which area.

One big problem is the city flat being built flooding the market, I work for a letting agent in notts.

alfindlow 01 Feb 2008, 10:27pm

Very interesting article. I concurr with the view that people on here seem to be shooting the messenger, and not reading this article for what it is - useful factual information about the last housing slump. I bought my 1st house in 1983, then another in 1986, letting the first one. By 1996 I was fed up with the letting scene, nothing was happenning in the way of house prices rising so I sold it and put the money into dot com shares! Whoops! Not my finest investment decision when the shares bombed and the house prices kept going up. Anyway, the information showing the loss of house values within this article is something I experienced 1st hand, and therefore it's no good sticking one's head in the sand. It's happenning again, so best be prepared. Anyone who is blaming the analysts for creating a self fulfilling prophecy need a reality check!

befearless 09 Jul 2008, 11:35am

Interesting comments from readers.

The buttom line is BUY 4 the LONG TERM.... you can't go wrong i.e. 7-10 yrs. Ignore the stats if and make the decisions.... Don't look back..

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