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Eight Tips About Car Hire-Purchase Agreements

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Published in Get Out Of Debt on 23 September 2008

We look at the costs, plus the benefits and disadvantages of buying cars using hire-purchase agreements.

With the country in the state it is, for the foreseeable future we’re going to see a rise in the number of people seeking advice from our excellent Dealing with Debt discussion board.

Recently, one Fool user pointed out to us at Fool HQ that many debtors in distress are having trouble with hire-purchase agreements on cars. If you’re considering such an agreement, or have one already along with debt problems, here’s what you need to know.

These schemes aren’t cheap

Just like if you finance your car through the dealer, when you use hire purchase to finance your new car it is often very expensive compared to getting an ordinary personal loan from a separate provider. To compare the total cost, ask for the ‘total amount repayable’ figure, and get similar comparisons with your personal-loan search.

You don’t own the car yet

Hopefully you realise that with this agreement you are only hiring the car until you have made your final payment. The only benefits to this are small and probably won’t be of use to you. They are:

  • You can return the car once you’ve paid half the cost and can stop making further payments.
  • If the car is faulty and you act swiftly enough, you can pursue the company that financed the agreement (i.e. the one that paid for the car and to which you make the repayments). This is in addition to your usual route of pursuing the dealer.

The negative aspect of not owning the car is bigger. If you haven’t yet paid 1/3 of the cost and you default on a payment, the finance company can simply turn up and take back their car if you’ve parked it on the road (but not from your drive or garage, although car parks are grey areas). What’s more, many agreements will still require you to pay up to 1/2 of the cost of the vehicle, whether you have it in your possession or not.

If you’ve paid more than 1/3 the finance company must get a Return Order from the court before they are allowed to take the vehicle back.

Finally, as it’s not your car it can’t be protected if you’re made bankrupt.

What can you do?

Here are some tips.

1. As I’ve explained, the finance company can take your car back. However, if you keep your car on private property, such as your drive or a locked garage, the company must first get a court order to do so. This is regardless of how little you’ve paid. I would certainly keep it in a garage if possible.

2. Work out if you’ve paid 1/3. Take into account the deposit you paid and the value of any part-exchange. If the finance company takes your car without a court order or your consent, and you’ve paid over a third, you should get a refund of all the money you’ve paid in the agreement.

3. Decide if you can you do without the car. Bearing in mind that you’re struggling with your bills, would it make more financial sense to give it up and get a cheap, reliable 2nd-hand car? (Remember, though, that you’ll probably still be obliged to pay up to half, if you haven’t already done so.)
4. If you can’t do without the car, make it a priority debt and pay less to other debts such as unsecured personal loans. However, don’t forget your other priority debts:

  •  Council tax (people go to prison for not paying their council tax)
  •  Electricity and gas (don't get cut off)
  •  Maintenance, child support and fines (to avoid going to prison)
  •  Income tax
  •  Rent or mortgage (to avoid losing the roof over your head)
  •  Second mortgage (same reason)
  •  Television licence

5. Before the court issues a Return Order, you will receive claim forms and will have the opportunity to plead your case in court. If you can offer a repayment plan that pays off the debt in a reasonable period, as well as the ongoing monthly payments, the court is likely to refuse the finance company’s Return Order.

6. Always try to negotiate with the finance company first to make a plan to pay off the debt. It’s not often that they’ll let you pay less per month than the monthly payment was supposed to be, but it can happen.

7. Failing that, you can apply for a Time Order from the court. You use this when you’re having temporary difficulties. The judge can agree that you pay reduced payments for a short while and can increase the length of the contract.

8. Dealing with debt can be crushing and debilitating, but you don’t have to handle it alone. For further guidance on court procedure, try our Legal Issues discussion board. For a shoulder to lean on, try the Comfort Café. Certainly don’t overlook the great guidance in Dealing with Debt.

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Yachtskipper 25 Sep 2008, 4:16am

I've used HP twice. Both times it was over the longest possible period to reduce monthly costs knowing that I would inevitably want to change the cars after about 24-30 months. Therefore, the facility to just 'hand them back' without hassle was quite an attraction to me.

Also, in both cases, the rate of interest I negotiated was not significantly greater than that I could find for a personal loan. I stated the maximum monthly amount I was prepared to pay and then kept quiet until the salesman agreed.

Parkview101 01 Oct 2008, 9:07pm

I should like to point out that under hire purchase agreements if anything goes wrong with the car, you do not have a claim for breach of contract against the dealer (as stated in the article). This is what is termed a two party debtor creditor supplier agreement under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and your action is against the finance company only. There is a difference between this type of agreement and an agreement entered into when you pay with a credit card (termed a three party debtor creditor supplier agreement). In the latter, provided that your purchase is over #100, you can claim against both the supplier and the creditor.

whyyoulittle 02 Oct 2008, 5:27pm

You are quite incorrect to state that hire purchase is more expensive than either direct lenders or banks. Most main stream lenders will be more or less on a par with direct lenders or banks. Also the loan can be set up whilst you're at the dealership buying the car, therefore saving the customer time and hassle, the customer will have to provide proof of ID and sign on delivery then drive their car away; rather than having to wait for the funds to be sent to their bank then either waiting again for funds to be transfered to the dealers bank or pay for a Bankers Draft. Added to this when you change your car, as long as the loan is with the same company, the old and new loans are contra settled so the customer does nothing other than cancel the old direct debit.

alrac26 03 Oct 2008, 3:54pm

Can someone confirm this is correct, I can hand my car back after 21 payments? I have 4 to go till this time and have asked my dealer on several occasions if I can hand the car back and they want the car and 10k ?

Parkview101 05 Oct 2008, 6:49pm

To alrac26

Under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 you are entitled to hand your car back at any time provided that you have paid up to at least 1/2 the total amount payable(TAP)under the agreement (usually the loan plus interest) plus any outstanding arrears. If you want to hand back the car but you have not reached the half way mark you can make up the difference and hand in the car. Your credit agreement will tell you how much the 1/2 the TAP is, usually under the heading 'Termination by Debtor.'

rowlystravel 07 Oct 2008, 3:53pm

steer clear of HP, most still use the rule of 78 on settlement.. owch...

GreenNinja46 14 Oct 2008, 12:01am

Hi,

I wanted to hand back my car to the finance company, and having had the car for 3 years of a 5 year agreement, and also knowing i have paid more than half, I was told that I could`nt hand it back as this was not part of my agreement!!!

So does the Consumer credit act apply in my case and should I still be able to hand it back???

Would they have to prove that I signed an agreement for this???

Any help appreciated...

BrightonBloke 15 Oct 2008, 1:53pm

Reply to GreenNinja46

It depends. I sell cars, albeit in a fleet capacity, and have seen many agreements where people have been led to believe they are buying using HP when they were actually using a straight personal loan. Look at your agreement. If there is no mention of the car on it then you might have a personal loan. Speak to the finance company if unsure. In which case you need to sell it and clear the finance. Some dealerships do this because some finance companies have a claw back clause. If a customer returns under the halves and thirds rules (as detailed above) they claw back the commission paid to the dealership on a sliding scale.

Hope this helps.

For what it is worth if anyone is thinking of buying a car now there are some absolute bargains out there. Also, if you are thinking of keeping it short term i.e. 3 years or less, you should really go PCP or contract hire. This will protect you from any negative equity. Contract hire is harder to get out of though - usually half of any outstanding rentals. PCP is really HP and the halves and thirds rules apply or you can sell it.

whiteunited 15 Oct 2008, 4:37pm

Hi I have a hire purchase agreement from Mercedes Benz Finance, I have had the agreement 14 months. They have told me if I want to hand the car back there is a hefty price to pay. I have paid 1/3 of the agreement so far is there any chance of just handing the car back? They have told me that paying this hefty amount is the only option.......
Hope someone can help.

BrightonBloke 16 Oct 2008, 12:51pm

Reply to whiteunited

Hi
knowing you have paid 1/3 back on its own does not really help. Its a half that you need to clear really - the thirds rule is for non-payment and reposession.
Look at your agreement and check the section on halves and thirds. If you have taken a 5 year agreement and used minimum deposit at the beginning then you may well have a hefty sum to find. Don't speak to the dealer though. Call the finance company and ask for a settlement under the halves and thirds rule. Get it in writing. The other option is to sell and clear the finance. It might be cheaper that way.

whiteunited 16 Oct 2008, 8:20pm

Thanks for your post

I can't see anything in the agreement about halves & thirds. It does state on the front of the contract "This agreement is not cancellable" I'm now 14 months into a 36 month agreement.

Parkview101 16 Oct 2008, 11:22pm

Reply to whiteunited
The agreement should state at the top what type of agreement it is e.g. if it is a Hire Purchase agreement it will state something in the lines of: This is a Hire Purchase Agreement Regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974. If if is a hire purchase agreement, which it would normally would be if you arranged finance via the car dealer when purchasing the vehicle, then my previous entry on the 1/2 the TAP above applies. Read your agreement carefully; if it is a hire purchase agreement it will explain that you have the right to terminate it early.

1400ted 20 Oct 2008, 10:08pm

Hi, Need a little advice. My Son in law and Daughter bought a 2004 Citroen C8 2L Diesel on May 1st 08 on HP. Last week the cam-belt snapped...40k before change time. The cost of repairs will be £6000 for a factory recon engine. They cannot afford it. They are not confident about the car now and want to give it back but the engine is in bits at the main dealers. One point about not wanting to keep the car on is that future belt changes will cost £1500 because the engine has to come out ! I have been in the car rescue business for 30 years and have never before heard of such a stupid bit of engineering as this. Citroen UK don't want to know.
Can my kids stop the direct debit and just tell the finance company to collect the car from the garage, even though it is in bits ? After all, it is their car !
Thanks...any advice welcome.
Ted

rebeccalucy 23 Oct 2008, 10:20am

Hoping someone can help me with this one - the finance company have agreed to take back our car as we have paid over half the amount owing. They are however advising that any damage/fault to the vehicle is up to us to pay for outright. I don't disagree with this in principle, other than the fact that the car has had a manufacturers fault since the day of purchase, which despite my efforts, the dealer has been unable to fix, and the finace company are saying it is nothing to do with them. My understanding is that the finance company are required to ensure that the vehicle hired to us is free from faults, which it never has been! Is there any legal information I can throw at them to try and make the see sense?!
Thank You!

grifter2008 26 Oct 2008, 12:44pm

Hi, I am trying to find out if the 1/2's rule applies to my agreement. It states at the top that it is a lease purchase agreement. There is no mention of the 1/2's rule in the conditions. in fact it states that all payments must be made before i can be released from the policy. Can anyone advise????

petdig2 28 Oct 2008, 7:17pm

"Hi, Need a little advice. My Son in law and Daughter bought a 2004 Citroen C8 2L Diesel on May 1st 08 on HP. Last week the cam-belt snapped...40k before change time. The cost of repairs will be £6000 for a factory recon engine. They cannot afford it. They are not confident about the car now and want to give it back but the engine is in bits at the main dealers. One point about not wanting to keep the car on is that future belt changes will cost £1500 because the engine has to come out ! I have been in the car rescue business for 30 years and have never before heard of such a stupid bit of engineering as this. Citroen UK don't want to know.
Can my kids stop the direct debit and just tell the finance company to collect the car from the garage, even though it is in bits ? After all, it is their car !
Thanks...any advice welcome.
Ted"

See eurovan2.com and look for "cam belt snapped" and you'll see it's a common pbl on C8 / 807 / Ulysse / Phedra (Eurovan2 models) with the 'older' diesel engines 2.0 HDi/jtd 110hp and 2.2 HDi/jtd 128hp engines.

This can help you to show the Citroën garage they HAVE to come with a solution so that you don't have (all of) the bill yourself!

Good luck!

(I had a broken cam belt on my C8 november '07, so I know ALL about it.....)

sambo300 06 Nov 2008, 9:21am

enyone help i have a car on finance at being of july this year i told them to take my car back they the finance company argreed to do this even though i payed less then half. they said it woyuld be taken end of july but i still have it do they have a time limit to collect it from me i havant made eny payments on the car since jan 08

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